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33 | this so we can have a meeting on the 25th. Whatever is going to happen, I think, they maybe do it in front of the golf community." Chair Sullwold: "They darn well better present their piece before the public comments start, because if they ask for public comment before they even, I mean, that's one of my frustrations, they have public comment, they close public comment, then they start discussing things and get things wrong and there's no opportunity as we saw December 7th for anybody to correct them, because they won't listen to anybody who wants to correct them. I actually expressed my views to Marie Gilmore that night saying that there's something dreadfully wrong with the process whereby you can't get input into issues once you start discussing them from the people that elected you. But, certainly, I'm hoping at least Kemper will give its presentation, there'll be some preliminary discussion from the Council and then they'li open it for public comment. But, I think we need to get everybody up there to say, if they're thinking 27 holes is the great solution for the golf complex, we've got to get people to say that's just ridiculous. We have a Par 3. We have a charitable foundation that's willing to put out more than half the cost of improving the Par 3 to the point that it's going to be a really nice little course. Why do we need to spend $1,000,000 of our money to build a new Par 3, and ruin, in the process, nine holes of one of our regulation courses. That's a message. The only way you do 27 holes and a new Par 3 is if the Mif is gone and I think the message has come clear that everybody wants the Mif, but I also think certain people on the Council think if we give you another Par 3, then we solved all your problems. And I don't think there's been enough before them saying forget it, we need both of our 18 hole courses." Commissioner Gammell: "We've talked a lot about that, Jane, about needing the Commuters, the Junior Golf, they've heard that. I've talked about it." Chair Sullwold: "And the point that you said you're going to make, Betsy, is: to do something that closes the Mif and gives it to developers is betraying the representations that we made to the Alameda Court system when we acquired this property in the 40's in the first place. We told them we needed it for public park lands. And that was the premise under which we got it. To give it to a developer is just a betrayal. Unfortunately, Terri Highsmith is the one that gave the legal advice that it requires an open meeting and a vote of four of five of the Council members to do that. Maybe they'll find a new City Attorney who'll have a different interpretation of that.' 5-B Update on Golf Complex Finances Chair Sullwold: "As you can see, we don't have our usual financial director here. Bob is in trial and did not have the opportunity to evaluate all the information that was contained in the packet. Suffice it to say, that the little report that is included from John Vest and the City says a lot of it. The interesting thing to me is, it's astonishing to me that the rounds keep going down month after month." Commissioner Schmitz: "We had pretty bad weather, it's been cold, and that affects the golf this time of year." Chair Sullwold: "But the problem is that we've had bad weather in other Decembers, too. What's different now?" 6 Colf Commission Minutes -Wednesday, January 19, 2011 |